Started Yesterday at 08:14 AM, By Hence good for circuit race cars and cars that see long periods of sustained power. for a stokist setup tube & fin is the best way to go. 04 f250 cc sb. But they take longer to cool down. if you look in a bar and plate you will see that it just has a smooth end on it, New To The Forum? Intercooler Cores Comparison , Bar&Plate vs Tube&Fin. I'm not saying don't participate, just confirm what you want to write first, and not from a sellers site where they have a conflict of interest. Source : http://www.extremeintercoolers.com/tech.html Turbo flows and sizes information, random copy paste from the web. I wrote this awhile back, figured I share it here. someone posted in the other thread that tube and fin is good for circuit cars etc, as they experience prolonged periods of power...but for street and drag, bar and plate is fine... Do a search if you want the full story, in summary…….. Bar and plate cores are good if you do short power bursts, they have more aluminium (weigh more) so they are a better heat soak. Tube and Fin Intercooler Pros Generally weighs about half as much as a bar and plate core of similar dimensions Generally less expensive Generally less flow restriction within the core than bar and plate … Tube and fin cores are good for more constant power applications, they weigh less so not as good for instantaneous heat soak. Unused nearly max pressure, unfiltered oil port, second port from oil pump. I will probably get someone else to fit it though, coz I am useless at that kind of thing. but it does aloow better flow. if ur planing of running a bigger turbo setup and want more HP. Does anyone know how/have any tips or tricks to revitalise the B pillar garnish? Both have differen... MITSUBISHI Model Engine Eng. I have, I think I'm suitably qualified to argue the semantics, and I suspect Gary would agree. The common breakdown is the Tube&Fin vs the Bar&Plate. I have been talking to a couple of workshops who reckon the Hybrid Tube & Fin coolers are better than the japanese brand name coolers, because the jap ones use a bar & plate design. Started September 4, 2020, www.sau.com.au A properly designed bar and plate intercooler being fed ample airflow in the front of a vehicle offers exceptional cooling efficiency that translates to lots of consistant power. cheers, dc. 3. the Mines GTR uses a tube and fin intercooler, the bench mark by which all road/circuit GTR’s are measured, 4. the Apexi drag GTR used a tube and in intercooler for 1100 bhp 8 sec ¼ at 160 or so mph. Shall I continue, there are several more pages of examples? the heat rejection of a tube and fin can exceed a bar and plate of the same size, it depends on tube pitch, fins per inch, etc, its all in the design... if the cooler is less restictive, you can make the same power on less boost, which will reduce your charge temp, and lower the work required by the intercooler I was wondering if anyone else can confirm or deny this and also tell me which is better for cooling capacity. 4" P/B wins hands down for a centrifugal supercharger. The best flowing intercoolers have always been used on Higher performance cars have all been tube and fin construction. Then you have the poorly made B&P versus the perfectly made T&F. notgoodwithnames There are several companies offering Dogbox for the Mitsubishi family. the best flowing of all it bar and fin (or tube and plate, can't remember which it is). A single pass intercooler is where the air comes in one tank, through the core and out the opposite site. Tapped port for stock oil pressure dummy s... CAM ADV Duration Duration @ 1mm Peak Lift (mm) Centerline Intake OEM EV... 4G63 and 4G64 comes in several cars. So it is better at taking heat out of the inlet air instantly. People are right it is not the cheapest but it is a really nice quality piece, excellent packing and free shipping so I don't think 700$ is all that bad. Any flow restriction is easily overcome by sizing it large enough for your needs, as long as you can make room for it. Tube and find on the other hand won't achive as low a drop in temp as bar and plate as it has less surface area to remove the heat. I know you wrote it but but have you actually read it and tried to match up with some things called fact and reality. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. and even better value for money in the group buy ! you can see the lip inside there. Tube and Fin 7.6kg. Airflow, boost pressure, and engine displacement will all play a role in how an intercooler has an impact on the performance of your vehicle. The Hybrid Tube & fin cooler is $1400 supplied and fitted which I thought was a bit steep, but if it is as good as they make out, then I don't mind paying the extra cash. There are many designs of Intercooler cores in the market. But is it really that much better than the $400 GKTech kit? (Remember that the intercooler cools intake air by heating the body of the intercooler, not by radiating heat to the outside air.) tube and fin have the tubes protruding out a bit and some of the air has to do 2 180 degree turns (bar and plate do 2 90 degree turns) so there is slight turbulence. Look, learn but don't advise until you know, especially if SK is posting. 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